The Digital Destiny Clan

[Kingmana]

Greetings fellow tamers. And before I get to my usual and never too late rambling, I got to say: DAMN it's hard to come up with ideas to type! I am so freaking heavy into the Prospecting type of the 16 personalities test, coming here to type a global announcement without even knowing exactly what I am even going to say! Seriously I literally just sat down and started to type, no plans whatsoever or actual ideas. You know, yeah, that's me: that's so me in a nutshell, improvisition for the win!

But oh well, guess I just wanted to beat my record in showing (and proving) how little I actually change through time. I matured yes, I grew a bit yes, I...errr I....I won a drawing contest! And I still have scales and a....er tail, yeah a tail that still moves behind me....but yeah the same random dragon of usual, that's me, hello.

And please do tell me I managed to make at least a few of you smile, because otherwise...well it would be awkward, that's for sure, but it would also be quite silly of my part too *facepalm* I can't help it, this site does make that part of me take the control...EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Anyways! Leaving that aside there are a few things I would like to adress. First me, and then the site. And it's not like the first is more important mind you! I just errr....don't want you to stick with the idea I am a silly dragon for the time you finish reading this! X3. Nah but really I have to say a few things.

My life has been...weird this year, different. If I were to mention every single detail you will probably think it's so little, so tiny, so...pftt normal, I guess you could say if I were to put the words for your fingers to type, eh. The thing is that for me it wasn't. I messed up in quite a few things that, again, wouldn't sound so terrible if I were to share it, but for me they are. I am a person that believes firmly in its convictions and has a fair amount of standards and I feel like this year I broke them all. I now know the feeling of just not wanting, not having the will, to do anything, and, dang it's hard to get out of it.

I have been thinking on the forum every single day and I won't lie, I was kinda scared to enter, mainly because I felt like I would be overwhelmed by different and mixed emotions, DANG it sucks to be right sometimes!

You know you can ask me more details anyways as 85% of the population here at DDC is my friend, and more than a half are actually quite good friends of mine (if you are not my friend, what are you waiting for? I am a dragon, I invite people to my cave, I don't go to collect things, you are not shiny!), but for nows let's leave that aside.

I am aware Durgon/Silver sent everyone an e-mail and started an announcement. My words about it is that...damn she beat me for like three or so days. I was planning to do that myself along Darks (and yes, I still have like....a fifth part of me that is the Judging type and actually makes plans!), but I couldn't find the words or the actual motivation. Guess you get it without me telling you that I have my motivation now and had to hurry up to release this, uh (and even though you do, I am still saying this uh, that's also me). Just so you know, I am leaving that thread on, unlocked and as a global announcement along this, admin decision (feels good to say that after so long!), so you can also respond there if you please.

This thread has a different intention in mind, a intention I hope to address, so I am making this separated, not just for the sake of being the one to open the discussion (well...okay I admit it's a tiny bit about that, but you can't blame a dragon for looking for attention! It's like blaming the water for leaking down EVERYWHERE) *Keeps chuckling because of his own silly-ness*. Anyways...my intention with this thread is to show my view of the site, see if you agree with me or not and something that interests me more and it's to know if you believe on me and Darks.

I apologize to Darks right here and now before continuing for not getting her input before typing this btw, but I am trying my best to follow her desires too from out last talk about the site, which wasn't too far ago for your information, so yeah think of it like I am....kinda trying to speak for her too? Eh, I will let herself expand on this, that's also teamwork in a way.

Anyways! (gesh how much I use that word here) My opinion. The Digital Destiny Clan is not about the battle system, it's not about leveling Digimon up or doing quests, and it certainly is not to collect every single item from every single system I've tried to make work here either, uh. No, for me, the site is about us, the tamers, the persons; each and every single one of us and, of course, our Digimon with their own mind and existance too! This is something we should never forget. We are family, we are friends, we are comrades and with our Digimon we are here to have fun, to spend nice times and to share this experiences with other people. The ''clan'' part of the name should not be taken aside like a mere choice of words, as we really are together in this.

Entire sites have crumbled down because they forgot this little tiny detail: it's all about us and for us! It doesn't really matter what we actually want for the site or the direction we choose. The site is us, together, our experiences, our joy, our emotions. If we want to breath new life on it we just have to start sharing experiences again and have fun. It does require some administration work, you know, cleaning things, fixing and organizing things again, but it's something we will only do with your support, because you are the ones that have the inner flame to make this Clan shine strong through and beyond the dark night.

My desire is to be the first one to give my fire and power to initiate this process. You know how the first bit of flames for the fire is the hardest, since the firewood is normally wet and hollow? Well it was a hard step for me, but I am not done yet. As soon as I get the e-mails working for me I will send a second global e-mail with my own words to everyone to try and snatch a few more hearts in. I will also try to send a private PM to most of the important persons here for me through the course of the week, you know, telling them things specially and JUST for them. If you don't get a private message, I apologize, it's probably because I either don't know what to personally tell you or don't know you much well, but know that if you are still reading this and are interested enough, you can be my friend too. And why I am even doing this to begin with? Because I want to. I am like this, a loveable dragon, always *smiles*.

This is where I differ with Durgon, a difference we didn't get to subdue in the little span of time we talked. I am not a fan of making persons choose. Unless I want to know if you prefer this epic complicated but still spicy and interesting event instead of a more common one, I wouldn't make you chooice by giving you the available options before hand. Not only does it kinda condition people's answers depending on how you handle it but it also limits and the least we need now is limitations. We need to talk this over, we need to express our desire to make things work and we need to start talking again, with our hearts, then we start organizing things again, but first let's all try to cheer everyone up. It's our decision after all, all of us, the ones that enjoy this forum.

That's my point of view. And ufff this ended being a long post, though it's no surprise. I hope I did managed to make it appealing to read at least! If not, well....another awkward momment, shoot, X3. Can't have too few with me, righties? If you excuse me now, I need to toss a ball of fabric for a kittie to bring her in and, really, also go to sleep. Don't ask me why I get my inspiration so late my time....but it happens. Shame my eyes can't keep up with the passion of my heart uh.

Let me say one last thing:

I have found my fire again!

[Razanak7]

You can't really say it's about "us" when this entire post is about you.

It's easy to mince words you don't like into something you can use for your own purposes, and when you finally talked about the actual issue at hand, it was incorrect. Presenting six potential options while also leaving things open to more suggestions does not influence decisions in the way you describe; however, using manipulative language that praises the writer incessantly, tries to bait the reader into sympathizing based on things that are entirely unrelated and (by the writer's own admission) ultimately trivial as opposed to presenting points about the topic beyond "I can do it for realsies", and lastly, trying to undermine the other party simply by claiming to be better than them while simultaneously going behind their back to try and be the first thread seen? That's textbook manipulation tactics.

If you want to keep things going the way they are, then just say so in the first place instead of this self-serving rigamarole. You have to also realize that the users have a say in this, too. You are not the sole voice of DDC, and the individuals can speak for themselves, as they have been doing. Back on to DDC itself, it's interesting that you were so quick to dismiss and demonize Durgon when one of her ideas presented should coincide with your views quite fine. If the battling, quests, events and items aren't important and the community is, then why does this site exist, exactly? If none of the technical stuff matters, then why not, for example, move to a Skype group like she suggested? Everyone stays in contact, other members can be instantly reached, RPing can be done by splitting into private conversations, site functions can be given to members to keep some deeper elements, and people could even battle using the old systems. The only real differences would be it taking place over Skype in real-time and there being no official admin. All interested parties could participate at their leisure.

And finally, one final question remains:

If you've found your fire again, how long will it last this time?

[Dragon Tamer]

Razanak, you know the saying, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."? Well, i think it applies here. Durgon had no right to do what she did without first discussing it with King and DC. I believe king is essentially right in saying that he believes in this site and that it's up to us to start rekindling the fire that will get the DDC up and running again. Yes, Durgon was originally the admin here, but she gave that up willingly when she stepped down and passed the mantle on to King. She technically has no power to say what goes on here, since she's not admin anymore. Only King and DC can do that. Long story short, I believe that we, as the users, should make our own decisions, and not force people to choose between doing one thing and choosing another.

[Razanak7]

Aug 9, 2016 1:53:50 GMT -3 Dragon Tamer said:

Razanak, you know the saying, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."? Well, i think it applies here. Durgon had no right to do what she did without first discussing it with King and DC. I believe king is essentially right in saying that he believes in this site and that it's up to us to start rekindling the fire that will get the DDC up and running again. Yes, Durgon was originally the admin here, but she gave that up willingly when she stepped down and passed the mantle on to King. She technically has no power to say what goes on here, since she's not admin anymore. Only King and DC can do that. Long story short, I believe that we, as the users, should make our own decisions, and not force people to choose between doing one thing and choosing another.

If you're under the impression that people are free from criticism, you are sorely mistaken. No one forced anyone to do anything, and King is sending aggressive messages to Durgon in an attempt to play the victim, using every opportunity to play the admin card. The thing is, nothing she did was out of line. As the original creator, she has witnessed the initial influx of users, its temporary popularity, and eventual decline; as such, she knows as well as anyone where things are going. It really makes no difference whether or not she has "power" on this board, because you can't change facts. If your almighty admin got bored of it, then he will again without the advent of major changes.

No one was forced to do anything. Until now, at least, with you attempting to force us away with thinly-veiled bragging, blatant falsifications, and grade school philosophy. If you even read what either of us said, you would be well aware that our objective is to provide alternatives to a system that doesn't work based on what users want. You can point fingers all you want, but you can't continue to act surprised when someone points out what's plain to see; a game that had a good run, but can't continue without change. It makes no difference whether or not that person has "authority", especially when solutions to the problem are readily available and given by someone with clear investment in the well-being of the game, an understanding of both its merits and its faults, and most importantly, remains objective without letting, ahem, "power" go to their heads.

No one knows something better than the person that made it. It only became about authority, imaginary and compromising influence, and aggression after her post; when you decided it was that with no evidence or rationale, instead opting to make it personal and suck out the objectivity. So, do whatever you want. Not like you would listen, anyway.

[andrei]

Heya, Razanak. Uhm, we never actually got any chance of talking with each other well unfortunately so I am not going to know your reactions to my words here but still, I hope I will make myself understood.

Now, you can't ignore some facts here(and for example, I am going to be using me. I am still a human and I will still act like one.)
Humans are lazy. When you present options on a questionnaire, there are often answers like "A." "B." "C." and so on. Then it ends in "E: something else? please describe"
I worked with this things like an year. How many choose option E? In one year? Only 2 persons. And trust me, that does tell something. When you present choices, most people would try to take one already made. This is unfortunately but it has kind of reasons. First, it is easy! It is so hard to make choices. Wow, I would find it quite hard too for me.Almost impossible. Congratulations Durgon on thinking on the options.
But still, you must understand what I am saying here. Almost anytime, the people will take the easiest way. Cuz it is the easiest. Until now, no one came with any different answer. 6 at this moment only said the answer, the number mostly.
If you go into a road and you meet an intersection, one going left and the other right, already made by someone. You will choose one of that. Not go straight where no one already walked already that choice yet.Or were too few to notice.
Anyway, presenting choices to me, is not bad. It makes things easier to do. Quite easy to answer with A or B or anything.And I confess...I did this too sooooo many times. Even if not even one of this things were actually an answer that would be best for me. I just took one just because it was easier. Faster. Not a problem to think, formulate, show it to others.

Now about the textbook manipulation tactics...ugh, this is hard as I am no expert in anything or I can relate to anything...except king!He always been...uhm, can I say silly? I know it is not a nice way of saying it but he always been like this. Talking silly things. In a way, now that I think of it...it is an interesting tactic. It is much easier to approach emotionally and so a person if you are silly and warm than cold and sober. But that doesn't actually fit to some things here. I kept in check with King for many months.. and I do believe I manage to know him. A little better than you, it seems. In every post of him, he expressed the same emotions as here. The silliness, the friendship, just so people could get much more calmer and casual while talking to him, to show him more open and friendly. That is something! I would have never ever talked with him otherwise. I am so scared of talking with superiors, be it admin on a forum or something else. It is hard to talk to them. They are important, you are nothing. This is how I felt. With king...it was different. And that is the truth. He is trying to show to the ones he post that he can be their friends, not their chief-friend, like it often happens.To me, king was open and it is always awesome to read his posts. They make you feel good, indeed. Yet the way you described him, he looks like a genius maniacal evil character from I don't know what comic. But that is far from truth. It is opposite to his personality. First, if this was not in his nature, he could not keep doing this all the time. Yet this form of warmness is found in all of his posts. In a form or the other, he keeps this as a constant of him. When you are manipulative and so, you can't actually keep it like this. You keep it when times is needed for a greater impact. And if he did it like you said it, that means he would have a different personality made there. You will never be able to rp something for so long like this. Eventually, you will hint the truth. He didn't. And I did made him do personality tests, mind you. I love them. And the difference with what you said and the results is....too far to compare. It just doesn't work.
He does this so it would make the reader more comfortable, to make him/her feel much better. And to know he is accepted in a way. Is that bad?

Now...there is something else. How many do check the site anymore? A few. Most will come through the email sent.(unless they have a Spam-mail like me). They will not check the site anymore cuz of how many posts they missed. Or because they will simply not find its importance anymore. Anyway, Durgon's post will be the first to be seen. Cuz of how she acted. King will only be seen if one gives its time to check the site.

Battling, quests, events, tournaments, EXP, digimon....is that all that means DDC? In a game, only for the sake of winning? That would apply in Solo games. Yet this would be more as an MMORPG, no? No matter how strong you are, without friends, you are 0. Plus, where is the fun? Just kill stuff? 2 people come from nowhere and harass and kill you again and again....and you are lonely. Where is the fun in that?
DDC is not a solo game. First of all...it is boring to play it alone with no people. I can do it like that too. Just use a RNG, and look, I am playing digimon alone...that doesn't sound actually fun. this is still a forum. A people to know each other ideas, to interact with other people. The Community is DDC and not the things enumerated above are. They are just tools. Nothing else. Virtual tools. Their importance is the one we give it to them. And in this case, in this moment, to me, it is even 0.

Now about Skype? that is for chatting. You can rp in it but to make a community on Skype like here? Hard. Quite hard.
First, posts here are see-able by everyone. And how would new people come there? Invite them? Us? We give the Skype address just after we talk at least once with them. Preferable more. Skype is a form of personal data. You don't give it to everyone. And on Skype...an Instant Messenger...how can you repair the TimeZone? It feels bad when you go and enter...in Skype and see a message left there to rot for hours? And you can't take this forum and put it in Skype. That would be...in a way, too complicated. Especially on Skype where you lose things unlike a forum. And in SKype, being private conversations as you said, you would lose something. People. Potential friends. It will feel lonely.

And king, every time I asked him about Durgon(I haven't seen you around there many times so sorry for not asking about you), king showed a deep respect for her. And he was so happy he could talk about her. Most important, they were friends. Why would a friend attack each other?

And your last question...wow, now that is quite a nice way to attack someone as I do not see any other reason to do it. No matter how I roll it.
He found his fire again. That sounds good. that means he is going to work again for the site if people show interest. In him and the site. That is the meaning.

I could say things like this too, it is easy to attack someone.

I do believe king's post was good.And it tries to give hope to DDC too. Like Durgon tried in her post. To revive it. He wants to do good. He will try. You should admire someone for this. Not push them back.

[MGarurumon]

Long Version: I believe that Durgon was entitled to do so, even if it would have been preferable that she talk to the other admins first. Even if she stepped down technically, she's the founder and I still deeply respect that and the work she put in, though I understand that's of my personal opinion. But first and foremost, I really don't want people getting hurt over this when we're friends and when we all want the best for DDC. Not only will that shake friendships but also hinder the recovery of the forum.

Her providing choices and options simplified things for members. Of course, we want a discussion, and she's totally open to that in her thread-- but she's providing us a starting point because ultimately, she cares and wants to address the state of DDC. Which we all want to do, even if our methods are different, so let's put this behind us. As staff, I think we're looking so disorganized right now, and that's no way to keep the interest of the members returning due to the global e-mail being sent out. Obviously, that's not what we want members to see, so let's put this behind us or address it elsewhere. I respect King's words, and I welcome back my old friend with open arms. Yet my primary concern is this: we need swift action, and how can we do that and have members believe in us at this point? Discussion among so many could be long and tedious, and though we obviously want everyone's input, shouldn't there be some extent of immediate (or asap) precaution?

Short Version: Let's try to be understanding. Durgon wasn't forcing us to choose-- she was offering us options but she wanted a discussion and is obviously open to suggestions. Could that be conditioning to some degree? Sure, but in my opinion, we need swifter decision temporarily to revive the forum. King is trying his best to rekindle love and activity in the forum, all appreciated. Do we have the time, energy, and interest? But absolutely, can we tone it down for the personal attacks and address the problem at hand?

If we are so keen on discussion, then perhaps we should bring this elsewhere because this thread is seemingly unbecoming if we are indeed serious about bringing DDC back. Or chatbox this somewhere. Skype or whatever among the admins and/or staff.

[Syn]

I'm done reading this and I'm tired. I went and told Durgon the site died. I did this because the site was sitting here and making me sad. I loved this place and missed the way the community was. And it reminded me of the good times, as well as a few bad. And I wanted action to be taken so I told her the site died. I doubt she would've checked in otherwise. So that being said, I think Durgon was in the right. Who cares if she didn't talk to the admins before doing this. The admins weren't doing jack. The admins had plenty of time to do something to revive the site but they did nothing. And someone had to take action. The only person who still logged in almost daily was DT.
(Now before I let my emotions speak I'll end this off. But before I do. No one has the right to act on this site except for the few people who logged in actively and unfortunately there was only 1 person, DT. So think about that for a second. None of you bothered to come in and take action, or even bother to log in every now and then to see how the active members where doing. Just think about how hard that was for them. To watch their family die and wither away. It is too late to take that pain away and fix this site. There is no point of return anywhere nearby)

[MGarurumon]

Aug 9, 2016 7:45:29 GMT -3 Syn said:

I doubt she would've checked in otherwise... No one has the right to act on this site except for the few people who logged in actively and unfortunately there was only 1 person, DT. So think about that for a second. None of you bothered to come in and take action, or even bother to log in every now and then to see how the active members where doing. Just think about how hard that was for them. To watch their family die and wither away. It is too late to take that pain away and fix this site. There is no point of return anywhere nearby)

Uncalled for. While it was highly commendable that DT return daily, don't put everyone else down. You think we all aren't pained? Most of the staff have been here for several years. And though they failed, there were attempts to revive DDC unbeknownst to the rest. To watch their family die? It's our family. Unless you're saying that the community is disowning us. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We acknowledge our faults and accept blame, but that never meant we didn't care. And if it's too late to take that pain away and fix this site, we wouldn't be back arguing with sticks and stones over this when we're supposed to be friends.

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Durgon's stepped away on break now but we needed her.
You know the only thing that we have agreed on so far is that this argument is silly.
I really hope we can get along, because there's no way else to bring back DDC.